Can Single Black Women Go Beyond Black and White?

by on July 12, 2010

Beyond Black & White’s first month analytics boast a cool 33,000 hits, hundreds of comments, and avid readers asking its founder for more. Christelyn Karazin, a veteran journalist and PR professional, claims to have one solution to the “Lonely, Single Black Woman” epidemic. What’s she talking? Single black women need to open up their dating options. Yes, interracial and intercultural dating may be the key to your locked love chest.

Clearly, this is not a water cooler conversation. In particular, black women’s historical relationship with white men include some horrific and degrading encounters, some of which continues to present day. Institutionalized racism, primarily perpetuated by white male dominance, presents daily obstacles for black women, so is it really plausible for us to consider marrying the Man?

I took some time to talk to Christelyn, who has happily been married to her white husband for over 8 years. Three bi-racial babies, a healthy marriage, and years of bliss later, Chris has decided to write a book on why black women should consider interracial and intercultural marriages.

Our interview was candid and, perhaps, humorously tugged on some of the issues black women have with interracial dating. At the very least, Chris’ book might be another missing piece of the map as we trudge through our journey to healthy relationships, loving marriages, intact families, and personal success.

Z&A: Why are interracial and intercultural relationships a viable option for black women? Should we really stop waiting for our Black Prince Charming?

Well, for the 2 million black women who outnumber black men, “viable” might not be the best adjective. Hmmm…let’s go with “vital,” “necessary,” or if we want to be REALLY dramatic, let’s go with “imperative.”  If you are a marriage-minded black woman who seeks a traditional family, or a someone seeking a long-term partner, considering  “rainbow men” should at least be on the table.  If a woman wants to wait for her Black Prince Charming, she has every right to do that. There are black women who actually prefer black men, but there is no reason to pass on Red, Yellow, Brown or White Prince Charming, or your ovaries might shrivel into raisins while Black Prince Charming picks up Snow White.

Z&A: What do interracial and intercultural relationships have to offer black women that a black relationship might not?

We’re not suggesting that an interracial or intercultural relationship is any better for black women, but that is a viable option for black women when same race relationships are more difficult to find. Speaking for myself, when I began dating my husband, who had a decidedly different upbringing from mine, a whole world opened up to me. I was now exploring symphonies at the Hollywood Bowl, trips to the museum and got an education about German and Polish culture I had never before considered. Conversely, he learned about Juneteenth, the problematic issues of driving while black, why I maniacally search for shelter during a rainstorm, and why it was so important for my mother to see us jump the broom on our wedding day. There was something different and exciting in it for the both of us, and it’s important in any relationship to learn and grow and experience new things.

Z&A: With the history of slavery facilitating the rape of black women by white men, how do you think the past has influenced the majority of black women to state that interracial dating is not for them?

Unless the guy asking you for a date is 150 years old, the slavery issue is unfair to TODAY’S white man, and frankly, it’s cliche and oh so overdone.

Z&A: How did you meet your husband? And what do you attribute to your successful marriage?

I met my husband while in my senior year of college. I was goofing around online, taking a break from my thesis, and logged on to a Yahoo! chat room.  My handle was BlkbeauT and he was SoCalGuy.  He instant messaged me because “Black Beauty” is his favorite childhood movie. But after a few jokes and my OBVIOUSLY fabulous personality, he smuggled me into a private chat room for more serious conversation.

The most important thing about our marriage is our strong love and commitment to our family and to each other. We still have lots of fun together, we think alike and most times can still finish each other’s sentences…which can be kind of annoying.  Regardless of race, it’s important in any relationship to not forget what attracted you to your mate, what stirred you, what touched your soul.  That’s the stuff you need to keep in mind during those times you would otherwise want to kill him.

Z&A: What is it like raising bi-racial children? Have you and your husband chosen to raise them focusing primarily on their black identity?

While I know that it is often a knee-jerk assumption, particularly with children of black-white couples to question this, it’s absurd question.  American society likes to put people into clear and concrete categories. It makes us feel better to know “what” we’re dealing with. But here again is a one of those remnants of slavery we have to get passed, that idea “one drop” of black blood automatically makes a person black. No one ever questions that children of Asian and white couples or Indian and Irish couples are somehow one or the other. My children are multiracial, not singularly black or white, but a beautiful swirl of tan.

Z&A: Looking at the average body image of black women, is it plausible to think that men outside the black race might appreciate the beauty of a full figured black woman?

The short answer is yes. But the point of that particular blog entry was to point out to black women that they can increase their chances exponentially if they like who they are on the inside – and out.  Studies have shown that black women are happier with their size and shape than their white counterparts, which is a direct result of the preferences of African American men who like their women thicker. Men of other races prefer women who are smaller. Women looking for men outside of their race should be well aware that dropping a few pounds may increase the likelihood that “rainbow men” will take a second look. We are not advocating that women diet to some dangerously thin size and jeopardize their health. Considering black women continue to be disproportionately prone to life-threatening illnesses due to obesity issues, is a bigger concern.

Z&A: I’ve got to address the well-known rumor. From your research/experience, is there really a difference between the black male and non-black male “package” down there?

Wow, really…my research and experience???  Have you mistaken me for a porn star?

Z&A: *laughs* well, this interview is for the Sexuality section

While I am no expert in the sizes of black-white male genitalia, I once dated a gorgeous black young man who played football, had a banging body and big ass feet!  But let’s just say I’ve seen bigger tampons than what was going between his legs.  I did want someone who had “ample” abilities to satisfy me, and my hubby does quite well in that regard. Call me shallow, but we’re talking a life commitment here!

Do you have any tips for picking up interracial and intercultural men? Where can we find the good ones?

For that, Z&A readers should really come to the blog for a taste of what’s to come in the book.  We regularly provide tips on dating, flirting, understanding cultural nuances and much, much more.  As a bonus, we try to make the information fun and funny.  I believe you can deliver serious messages with humor, and sometimes it makes hearing the tough stuff a bit more palatable.

Z&A: Why do you recommend your upcoming book, The Black Woman’s Guide to Interracial and Intercultural Dating (working title), for black women?

Just look around! Seventy percent of black women are single, widowed, or have never been married.  Three fourths of black children are being born out of wedlock. Black women want to be married or find a loving partner just as much as women of races or cultures but the challenges are definitely stacked against our sisters. This book is not trying to convince anyone to CONSIDER dating interracially, but it is the first true guide to help women AFTER they’ve made the decision to take the leap and be open to something new.

Check out the Beyond Black & White blog here and be sure to follow Chris on Twitter for more interracial and intercultural dating musings.

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  • JessicaLynne

    Such a straightforward yet insightful interview! I particularly enjoyed the musing about body image and interracial dating. good stuff Arielle!

  • Browncow

    This is a great interview and a wonderful message to black women that we can find love anywhere and everywhere we choose to seek it.

  • Jess

    I love the blog Beyond Black and White!

  • Bunny

    I REALLY like how you addressed the slavery/rape question.

    I also REALLY don't get why black women are so obsessed with this issue.

  • MadamCJCPA

    This is great, hopefully interracial relationships with black women and “rainbow men” become so mainstream that women such as myself can go out in public with my man without getting the side-eye from others within the black community.

  • Browncow

    I also wanted to address the myth of the inferior genitals of non-BM. That is just a myth. Let's be logical about this. The one's going about talking about this myth are the ones who usually have the most to benefit from it. And also if black women are also perpetuating this myth, my question is, “have you seen every non-black man's penis to assess that the myth is true?” Have you slept with a non-black man ever or in the case if you have, every non-black man on the planet to make such an assumption? I can't say that I can make assumptions based on a lack of knowledge on the subject and any logical person would agree with me. My first boyfriend was Southeast Asian. He was a little smaller than average,but knew what to do with it let me tell you. My ex-fiance was Indian and packed to the nines. He had no skills whatsoever. My husband is white and very nice in the package dept. He also knows what he's doing. I don't mean to get graphic, but we need to dispel this myth of the monstrous magical mandingo genitals and the inferior genitals of all others. Also, isn't sex supposed to be part of the relationship and not the main focus? Just a thought…

  • http://missglamtastic.blogspot.com MissGlamtastic

    Great interview! Beyond Black & White has a lot of positive information, and it spreads a message of “love comes in all colors.” I was impressed by the fact that Christelyn does not bash black men, but encourages women to realize that you should always aim for a high-quality man that will love and cherish you. It is a wonderfully positive site and any black woman that comes to the site (with an open mind) will benefit.

  • Black Queen Bee

    Beyond Black and White is a great place for the forward-thinking black women to feel valued, to interact with other like-minded sisters, and to benefit from the collective wisdom of same.

    Now, regarding your sex-related question, I can speak to the well-known rumor about “package” size, and that rumored difference certainly hasn't been borne out in my experience.

    There does seem to be a difference between black men and white men in how considerate they are in terms of the woman's sexual needs, and I definitely give the nod to the white boys on that one. They want to make sure you're having a good time.

    Not that any of this matters, really, because there are a whole bunch of sistahs that wish to keep believing that neither of these things that I'm saying are true.

    To them, all I can say is, “Get out and experience the world, and the different men in it. Then you can tell me I'm wrong”.

  • beautifulbrown

    you know the funny thing is that black women who genuinely love to date interracially never seem to complain about their spouses package is usual people especially black people especially black men who love to talk smack about another man's penis which i find rather gay, cause why should as another man be concerned about another man's penis. i remember one particular black guy was overly concerned about me dating outside of my race cause he believed that an asian and white guy will not be able to sexually satisfy me..

  • Hodan

    I discovered Beyond Black and White via a friend and its been amazing to read all the materials posted and the wise advices exchange among us ladies. We all come from different cultural, religious, academic and life experience over @ the site, but Christelyn created an amazing space for us to unite for the empowerment of black women.

    I would like to address one of your question to Christelyn about the history of slavery facilitating the rape of black women by white men. Historically black men were lynched, imprisoned and killed over the rumors or accusation of raping or sexing white women. Yet, I don't see many black men rejecting white women when it comes to dating them or fathering their children. Heck, most civil rights iconic black men were married or sleeping with white women, while their supportive black sisters aged with little prospects.

    This 'sista soldier' mentality is a convenient way to create more barriers for black women with the delusion that they actually have a co-partner within the black community, when in reality its only black women holding on to the past. Judge any man regardless of race or cultural on what he brings into the relationship and the content of his character, not what was done 100s yrs ago.

  • Buckeye

    I found Beyond Black and White a few weeks ago and have learned so much both from Christelyn and the ladies that contribute through comments. If a BW is willing to deal with the actuality that they are desireable and they too can find men of quality, then I suggest Christelyn's blog.

  • MadamCJCPA

    I agree, I dated two other white men prior to my current boyfriend (he is white as well) and all three LOVE LOVE LOVE to perform cunnilingus. Reciprocity was neither required or expected in exchange for my pleasure, but it was obviously a plus if they received as well as gave.

    As for package size one was average-sized 6″ (and thick) and the other two were between 7 & 8″ (average girth). So to naysayers, I say either I have x-ray vision, or the rumors are unwarranted.

  • Jules

    Loved the interview. Very insightful and practical advice.

  • Marcia

    Well I think class divides are more prominent than racial divides in most cases. So at the end of the day we are all part of the human race and I honestly believe a person's character is more important than anything else about them. I like Christelyn's personable and relatable answers as they made the interview very humourous and interesting.

  • Katrina

    I find this interesting for a couple of reasons. One, I've only ever been with black guys; my boyfriend in high school, my two boyfriends in college, undergrad and grad school, and then one more after college (so far). My best friend says I am a serial monogamist. I've seen a couple of porn movies with white guys in them, and I know they're porn movies and not a good comparison, but my boyfriends came up short (no pun intended) against those guys. But, the second reason I find this interesting is because it really doesn't matter to me what the guy has down there in terms of my satisfaction, because I don't get orgasms that way, so it doesn't matter if he's got a battering ram, it still isn't going to happen for me. It's NEVER happened like that for me, ever. But, it ALWAYS happens if a guy can use his tongue. Don't mean to be graphic here, but that is the way it is. And some of my boyfriends were not really too excited about doing that, even though they wanted me to do everything to them of course. I can't tell you how many times I have been left unfulfilled after he busts a nut and rolls over and goes to sleep.

    I'm not against dating out, but I've never really thought seriously about it. I've never known a white man that I was attracted to, but then, I hardly know any white people, period. I hang with all black people. I think a lot of sistahs do.

    So I don't care about size too much, but the second part of what you say makes me pay attention:

    “There does seem to be a difference between black men and white men in how considerate they are in terms of the woman's sexual needs, and I definitely give the nod to the white boys on that one. They want to make sure you're having a good time.”

    Now that is something worth thinking about, that right there.

  • Katrina

    That definitely sounds like something a brotha would say…

  • Majautley

    Katrina, your comment could be my comment. Same history, same point of view. After ten minutes of pounding, I'm ready to do something else. But a couple of minutes of a talented tongue, and I am in in orbit, girl.

    I'm all about having a good time, and having someone interested in me having a good time, so maybe. . .

  • http://missglamtastic.blogspot.com MissGlamtastic

    LOL! Yes, a man's interest in another man's genitalia does sound rather bi-curious.

  • http://socialitedreams.wordpress.com Socialitedreams

    I particularly don't get why they bring up something from 150 years ago when RIGHT NOW black men are the main ones raping black women or using them for sex and leaving them with out of wedlock kids and no marriage….yet most aren't shouting the injustices of that…instead, let's harp on something from the past…mmmkay

  • Fexixanddee

    @Majautley

    I'm with you. I'm so small down there that any man is more than big enough for me, and I can only take so much thrusting. I cannot get to orgasm that way, either. Patience and a light touch, with lots of foreplay, that's what I'm all about. That what makes it soooo good.

    And if that is something a white boy can figure out, then maybe I've been shopping at the wrong store.

  • Girl in St. Louis

    You know something, I really don't know any white people, either, now that I think about it. I work with some, but all of my friends, and of course, all of my relatives are black.

    I'd hate to think of myself as semi-racist, maybe I should get out a little more.

  • Girl in St. Louis

    Cosign on this completely…

  • Christelyn

    Hi all! Christelyn (finally) chiming in here. I've just been sitting back being the fly on the wall in this conversation. I have to say, I'm glad that this story has struck a cord and has some of you thinking about ALL your options. This is especially important for young black women in the 20-30 age group.

    In the book, we're dedicating a whole chapter to exploring sex with an interracial partner, which can be exciting and heighten arousal just in and of itself. Hope you guys will take a look. Should be out sometime next year…

  • Christelyn

    It wouldn't hurt. Contrary to what some folks believe, exploring your options will not turn you into a unicorn.

  • Browncow

    I just wanted to add by saying that the “drill baby drill” method of sex means you have no skills! The only guy who didn't give a crap about my sexual satisfaction was my ex-fiance and he's an ex for a reason, terrible sex being one of them. Also not to get too graphic, but I feel for those of you who have never experienced orgasm through intercourse. That means that you have been selling yourself WAY short. Thrusting away like some sort of mechanical machine just doesn't get it. You need a guy who can not only perform orally, but know how to use his equipment well by what I like to call “the grind” It's awesome. You may also want to read some kama sutra books for optimal positions for stimulation. Lifting your legs a bit makes a big difference. Sorry for the graphic, but I think this is important. Also, don't tell a guy that he's great when he isn't and if he doesn't care about your satisfaction, odds are, he doesn't care much about you either and you're just a masturbation device. Sorry to say, but that's just how I see it.

  • Christelyn

    That's great advice as usual, Browncow.

  • Vonda

    Well, this sounds good because somone knowing what to do is always good, and someone caring enough to take care of you right with their skills is also good.

    But, I have to admit, the idea of of having sex with a white guy is just kind of freaky to me. Their skin is just so white and pale. It's a little creepy to me. That kind of skin on a woman is okay, but on a man, it's just kind of like a ghost or something. Sex with an Asian guy is even more freaky to think about. Although I could see myself with a latin man. Muy caliente!

    But I'm okay with the idea of dating a white guy for someone else, I would never say to another black woman that you should only date black. If you want to explore your options with other guys, I'm cool with that. Personally, though, I'd have a tough time with it.

  • Christelyn

    Vonda, explore your options. There are MANY rainbow men who have beautiful, medium brown-to- dark skin. Indians, Latinos, Brazilians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Africans…see where I'm going with this? My goal to spread the message that black women explore ALL their options, thus the name of the blog, “BEYOND Black & White.” I promise if you visit, I will temporarily hold off on my voo-doo chants and subliminal messages to convert you into liking white guys! (for now). MWAHAHAHA! Seriously though, date the rainbow; the world is a big place.

  • Kanika Ameerah

    Been there done that when I was in my early 20s…Not sure if I have the capabilities to do it again now, as interracial relationships take a lot of work…Getting your partner to understand the social, cultural and historical elements of racism can be extremely frustrating and well…I don’t like “schooling” people.

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  • Anonymous

    Interracial marriage is where it is at for me.  I am black and my wife is Italian.  We met on http://www.swirldates.com.  It has been nice.  We were like little kids being the first that we dated outside of our race.  My mom is cool with it but my dad, well, dad is dad.  I see nothing wrong with dating outside or inside ones race.

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree with forward thinking.  I married an Italian woman, I am black.  We met on http://www.swirldates.com.  It was our first date together, dating outside of our race.  I am glad we both tried it.

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